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did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby Mils » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:13 am

Ya, that's in the book. But she was helping Lyra bathe, cause in their world you either had a servent or parent/gaurdian help you, so MC was helping Lyra. She just wanted Pan to look away from Lyra though.
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby Dustbin » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:10 pm

So many people got the impression that he was a paedophile...I wonder why PP implied it so heavily? Since people generally hate paedophiles, maybe it was to get us to root for Lyra, so the book would be more emotionally involving...?
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby Mils » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:43 am

Maybe. I think that it also got us to think against him while reading, and be cautious of his character to set up his danger in the book.
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby dannyyyy » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:31 pm

i think hes a pedo. nuff said.
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby LyraPanFan » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:48 pm

That part made it sound like he was, I read it at like 4am and had to look out my window a few times.
Plus I'm Lyra's age, 12 years old, I got a little chill, but further in the book, I didn't think like that anymore.

He is allies with pedo-bear :o
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby HDMforever » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:42 am

I didn't get that vibe from him, but as most of you probably know I am extremely naive. So maybe he was...I definitely got a bad feeling when he came on, because it really was heavily implied that pedophile or not he's a bad person. About the smell, though--it was an IDEA of a smell, probably meaning that Lyra wasn't sure she could trust him either at first.

Anyway, I think it could go either way. It's likely that he could have been, but still you never know...me with my naivety, I think he's less likely to be one than Otyets Semyon or whatever his name was, that priest. But for right now I'm going to say yes he (Sir Charles) was.

OMG I JUST REALIZED THAT SIR CHARLES/LORD BOREAL WAS IN THE WORLD OF THE DEAD WHEN THEY LET EVERYONE OUT!!!!!!!!

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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby Dustbin » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:27 pm

Actually, a LOT of people were in the world of the dead...Sir Charles...Tony Makarios...the guy who sacrificed himself to try and kill Lyra with the bomb...and the other characters that died that I can't remember (I assume there are a few)
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby HDMforever » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:49 pm

Yeah, I know...I just realized it on my latest reread. :P I'm surprised none of them had comments to make on Lyra and Will's plan...
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby Corncopucia » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:46 am

Pretty sure they stopped caring, as I remember a part of the second book where the witch who is eavesdropping on Mrs. Coulter and Boreal was devoured by a Specter, and it mentions that she felt really hopeless, and such. I think that's how the dead felt, except for Roger, because he was thinking about Lyra.
Back to overall perviness, yes. Very yes, in fact. I noticed that on the second retread, and I remember thinking "Wow, I just noticed that." With Pullman you just have to read again and again, and more and more meaning comes out.
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby Missilvertongue » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:56 pm

I definetely did, especially when he was with Lyra in the rolls royce, and it creeped me out...
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby Ali_Theometer » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:12 pm

kauldron26 wrote:i swear when i was reading the subtle knife and that scene with lyra at the museum, we see lyra through sir charles point of view, him watching her legs, intentionally brushing her fingers, giving her his card, him licking his lips, lyra described him as a perfumed palace with rotten food beneath... i swear i was so freaked out and perturbed. i was like pullman is effing brave for introducing real live evil outside of the fantastical kind.... but then it turned out all he wanted was the golden compass... lol.... maybe i've just been watching too much law and order SVU.

The thought did cross my mind for a moment and like others, I assumed that Pullman deliberately wrote him that way. However, my suspicions about his motive shiften tac when Lyra noticed what she thought was a worm or a snake hidden in his sleeve (I forget which now).
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Re: did anyone else think sir charles was a pedophile??

Postby Danz » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:05 am

I did! And also the guy with the lemur Dæmon who bought her food at the stand. Totally disturbing.
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