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Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

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Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby Oz » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:57 am

I just finished this book for one of my classes and I'm considering writing an essay on it. This is a possible topic I could pursue, though this book is rich with potential essay topics (If you guys have a better suggestion, let me know).

So why do you think there are no visible Dæmon in Will's world?

Keep in mind, I've read neither The Golden Compass nor The Amber Spyglass, so don't ruin anything for me.
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Postby latency » Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:32 am

Don't write an essay without having read all three books in order.

I say that because your topic is totally redundant, you'd you'd probably know that if you'd read the rest of the trilogy.

In a nut shell, we don't have dæmons for the same reason that we don't have x-ray vision. We just don't. The super natural doesn't exist in our world in the same way that it exists in Lyra's, which is based on the chance out come of parallel worlds. That's it.

Read the other two books and you'll have a lot more inspiration. TSK is a stepping stone between TGC and TAS, reading it only gives you a peek at the entire story.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby Callioope » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:25 pm

It's not that we don't HAVE demons, it's that we can't SEE them. And it's not that the supernatural does not exist in our world. I know it's been a few years since I've read the books, but I'm pretty sure spectres still exist in Will's world, it's just they are not visible...?

Also, do finish the series - it's worth it AND it will explain so much that you're probably wondering about. But I think you could use this topic for an essay if instead you consider why the people in Will's world can't see their own Dæmon. latency is right, TSK is really a stepping stone between the other two books.

...and while I'm at it, if you have time, you should take a look at Paradise Lost (where HDM draws its title from, and also many, many other things). It's an epic poem written by John Milton in the seventeenth century, so it's a challenging read but definitely worth it.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby Mils » Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:30 am

If the Specters did indeed exist in Will's world, there wouldn't be very many, since most of them were concentrated in Cigazze.

Paradise Lost was mentioned in an AP test i took earlier this week, and I nearly jumped out of my seat. :)
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby KatrinaSilvertongue » Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:27 pm

We have dæmons! Its wierd just saying we don't! Their not inside us, or don't exist, its just human's only see what they think should be there, aka: Dæmons, we think they shouldn't be there, then we see them invisible. Unless you know they're there then you see them. I've know my dæmon Pandaroes for as long as I've lived. Don't ask me why.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby SuperTrainStationH » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:27 am

I believe it has to do with the way Dust flows between worlds. Just like how climate makes plants and animals adapt in different ways, the "Dustscape" of a world may effect the ways sentient beings have developed to the environment.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby HDMforever » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:39 am

That actually makes a lot of sense...:P good point.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby dannyyyy » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:59 pm

y does a teacher make u only read the middle 1? so stupid
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby Tommy24 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:39 pm

First READ THE OTHER 2! They are fantastic (My favorite is The Amber Spyglass, but we all have our favorites) The other thing I'll tell you is that in Will's world (witch as you know is ours) people do have Dæmon. They are inside us as our spirt or conchice (not shure I spelled that right, blam the disslexea). It's just one thing that makes that world diffrent from Lyra's.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby Mils » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:03 pm

I think you mean conscience :)
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby KatrinaSilvertongue » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:14 pm

I still think that we have dæmons. We just can't see them. If you want to meet yours then try the dæmon page. I can't get a link cus my computers bunged up.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby Erin_wolf » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:47 pm

Umm, lets see.

What I think is each of the worlds is different and I guess Lyra's world is the one that gets visible dæmons, but If you have a dæmon in her world and go to another world you still keep your dæmon. It's kind of confusing.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby Danz » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:10 am

We have Dæmon, but we are unable to see them as they do in Lyra's world.
They do not take a physical manifestation outside the body, rather they dwell within it.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby professor_a » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:40 pm

In the books it is said that the Dæmon is the 'soul', and it's separate from your 'spirit'. Maybe in our world they aren't separate?
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby Torak » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:38 am

In the books, it mentions three parts to a person; body, which is left behind when you die, soul/Dæmon, which evaperates and your spirit, which goes to the world of the dead. I consider the soul/Dæmon to be your emotions; happy, sad, lonely, angry, which you feel and associate the center of your body.
your spirit are your thoughts which come from your head.
That is my explanation to why the world of the dead is void of emotion.
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Re: Why do you think people don't have Dæmon in Will's world?

Postby ArG » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:48 pm

We do, we just can't see them. This is probably because we have so many distractions in life that we can't concentrate long enough to see them.
you need to read the other books. the answer is in the amber spyglass
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